Mickey was a great pitcher but was not happy in New York. Rusty played another decade. To the guy who scored the game when Lolich gave up two homers to the no name pitcher- big deal? This has never happened before? Two quick points that haven't been mentioned:- It was Mike Vail's fantastic debut that led the Mets to believe they had a replacement for Staub. As far as who got the better of the Staub for Lolich deal: Rusty went on to have several excellent seasons in a Tiger uniform. Rusty has always been a fan favorite so if you're going to trade him it better be worth it, and to most of us Mets fans Lolich wasn't. The fact of the matter is New York is a what have you done for me lately kind of city, and when Lolich came to the Mets he pitched like a nobody. Fact is Lolich was always overweight. pete What a sore disapppointment it was to see Staub take over rightfield (with his gnat's piss arm) after watching Kaline out in right all of those years in Detroit. feat fan Staub a great fielder with a great arm? bogeyman Trace the evolution of the Mets official uniform over the years. Reading this brings back my memory of the trade that sent Rusty packing to Detroit. As Sonny Jurgenson once said "you don't throw the ball with your stomach." The Lolich for Rusty Staub trade might be the first and only trade where two players who were well known for food establishments were traded for each other. The plan was apparently: Vail LF/RF, Kingman LF/RF/1B, Milner, LF/RF/1B for those three spots. Rusty played another decade. I had never heard my mother get so angry at a Mets player. Mickey liked his doughnuts. Lolich was a newcomer that was a big loser, and he reminded us of how stupid the Mets management was for always going after fading superstars. That's pretty good this day in age. He had a 2.59 ERA at the end of July. Baseball burnt him out. November 12, 2006 March 5, 2006 December 8, 2006 Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. Then Vail hurt his ankle playing Basketball and he was never the same. 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. Too bad we waited until '76 to bring him in, although his numbers indicated a lack of run support. The Lolich for Rusty Staub trade might be the first and only trade where two players who were well known for food establishments were traded for each other. Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. Then Vail hurt his ankle playing Basketball and he was never the same. March 22, 2005 They were starting their descent into oblivion and the Staub trade was step in that direction. Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. Ramblin' Pete And yes, maybe Koosman had losing years in the late 70's but he had been a Met long enough with a winning record that the fans rooted for him. You can't be serious. Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. (Note: others featured in that section were the Knicks' Toby Knight and his wife and Rangers enforcer Nick Fotiu and his very leggy wife and kids)I also had the unfortunate opportunity to score the game against the Phillies where pitcher Larry Christensen belted TWO home runs off Lolich on a hot Sunday afternoon. 3.50 was more of a mediocre E.R.A in those days.About his profile of 6'1" and 170 lbs., I looked him up in the Baseball Encyclopedia and that's what they have. As far as who got the better of the Staub for Lolich deal: Rusty went on to have several excellent seasons in a Tiger uniform. As a kid collecting baseball cards and watching ballgames in the '70s, I remember being struck by Lolich's belly. Mr. Sparkle As somebody mentioned previously, this is really all Mike Vail's fault. 170 lbs.? Let me say that again, 376 and that's without a pitch count. Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. As Sonny Jurgenson once said "you don't throw the ball with your stomach." I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. Man, he was a big one. NO WAY he was 170 pounds. He pitched over 300 innings for 4 years in a row, coming close to 400 one year. July 31, 2002 I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. Too bad we waited until '76 to bring him in, although his numbers indicated a lack of run support. Mike B You can't be serious. An interesting thing about Lolich that I remember from an old Mets program is that he's actually right handed. feat fan January 12, 2011 April 23, 2003 He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE.He finished second (1971) and third (1972) in the Cy Young race, and he never finished higher than TENTH PLACE in the league in ERA (finished tenth in both 1971 and 1972).Baseball Reference lists among his top ten in similarity scores: Jerry Koosman, Jerry Reuss, Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, and Joe Niekro.All of that tells me Lolich in his prime was a good pitcher, but nowhere near a HOFer. 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. October 13, 2008 Two quick points that haven't been mentioned:- It was Mike Vail's fantastic debut that led the Mets to believe they had a replacement for Staub. Rusty has always been a fan favorite so if you're going to trade him it better be worth it, and to most of us Mets fans Lolich wasn't. Shickhaus Franks In his first full season 1964, Mickey Lolich went 18-9 an ERA of 3.26. As a 44-year-old with a beer belly, I can relate. Mickey Lolich is one of my favorite players. He goes up one notch for being a character! He also hit a home run in Game Two of the Series and outpitched Denny "31 Win" McClain in the Series. April 6, 2012 He normally threw lots of pitches and completed a high percentage of his games. Reading this brings back my memory of the trade that sent Rusty packing to Detroit. His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. Lolich finished his career 12th on the all-time strikeout list with 2,832, second only to Steve Carlton among left-handers. I look at his numbers as a Met and they're not bad. bogeyman September 25, 2013 Ok, the height is correct but make no mistake,a consistent, determined winner, Mickey Lolich was in the spotlight throughout his career. However, Mets management, in their infinite wisdom, wanted to trade Rusty Staub so badly, that they were willing to get anything in return, and actually had to go to great lengths to convince Lolich to come to the Mets. He lost 39 games his last two seasons in Detroit, with an obese ERA both years. But keeping 105-RBI Staub would have provided middle lineup power 100% of the time. Joe Figliola He later came back to play for the Padres. And by the time he left Detroit, he was fatter than Lolich. He was overweight and kind of babyfaced but I don't remember anyone being more focused or a battler. I would put Rusty for Lolich in second place. Mickey Lolich was a great pitcher in the American League. September 29, 2007 September 29, 2007 According to his profile above, his height and weight are listed as follows:Height: 6.01 Weight: 170170 pounds on a 6 ft. 1 in. Feat Fan This has never happened before? snook The Tigers had some great years back in the late 60's and early 70's- much like the Mets. Maudlin, anecdotal sentiment at its best! Lolich finished his career 12th on the all-time strikeout list with 2,832, second only to Steve Carlton among left-handers. Another guy who didn't get enough run support, and - yes - he ended up being blamed for the Staub trade rather than Grant himself. He had a 2.59 ERA at the end of July. How Mickey still had an arm when he pitched for us is amazing. Mickey was a fantastic pitcher for the Tigers. I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. He wanted to finish out his career in Detroit, where he had some great years (the photo of him jumping on Bill Freehan after the final out in the 1968 World Series is a classic). More information Mickey Lolich More like this Birch Run Frankenmuth Bacon Burger Tonys Visitors Bureau Most Favorite Favorite Places Traverse City Banana Split The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! December 20, 2019 February 27, 2002 When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. Pitchers have good days and then once in a while they hang a curve? Laura15yearoldmodel Joe was hit by a Bob Moose pitch to drive in the tying run, but the '76 Mets couldn't stand such success, as two singles and a double play grounder by future Mets coach Bill Robinson in the top of the 10th off Skip Lockwood gave the Bucs a 2-1 win. September 24, 2005 - Now for the trade itself. I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. But then Vail got hurt, and Kranepool and the aging Torre got more playing time.The better plan was to keep Staub, and let Milner and Vail fight for a spot. Feat Fan I wish the Mets had a pitcher today with a 3.22 ERA. C'mon John, the Mets did the Tigers a huge favor by taking this washed-up pitcher off their hands and giving them a great hitter like Rusty. We felt the same way when the Mets traded away Seaver and got back mediocre players for him. There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. He easily could have won 15 or more games with any support at all. According to his profile above, his height and weight are listed as follows:Height: 6.01 Weight: 170170 pounds on a 6 ft. 1 in. March 22, 2005 My memory is that while the Mets' front office had made dumb and abysmal trades in the past, this was one that just made no sense in any way, shape, or form. Lolich may have gone 8-13 in 1976 but Koosman did even worse the next two years (1977 and 1978). September 25, 2013 Randy Tate To the guy who scored the game when Lolich gave up two homers to the no name pitcher- big deal? No contest. senor ortiz I don't know, I'm not a Mets expert. (thankfully returning in '81). A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. support. As for all the innings Lolich pitched in Detroit, in today's game 300 innings is comparable to two full seasons, what with pitch counts and constantly babying starting pitchers. Bob P Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. Shickhaus Franks Mickey Lolich did not want to come to the Mets. October 2, 2005 You can't be serious. If he had finished his career in Detroit, he probably would have been elected to the Hall Of Fame, with perhaps two more seasons of 15 wins. As for all the innings Lolich pitched in Detroit, in today's game 300 innings is comparable to two full seasons, what with pitch counts and constantly babying starting pitchers. But keeping 105-RBI Staub would have provided middle lineup power 100% of the time. That would make him a star in today's market. But the facts are:Lolich spent 16 years in the Majors. He was a big (emphasis: BIG) bust in New York. View + Cart. Reading this brings back my memory of the trade that sent Rusty packing to Detroit. The Mets acquiring him for Rusty Staub was another trade made by M. Donald Grant out of spite for Staub's salary request. September 12, 2002 I look at his numbers as a Met and they're not bad. December 13, 2007 Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. Other than some one saying he ate donuts rather than come back to NY, does anyone know the real reason why he didn't pitch in 77? You can't trade Rusty Staub without instantly improving team speed". We felt the same way when the Mets traded away Seaver and got back mediocre players for him. Mickey liked his doughnuts. All of you New Yorkers are forgetting how the Tigers fared in this deal of Staub/Lolich. Appearancewise, Lolich made Sid Fernandez look like Tom Hall (remember him??) Mike B In my opinion, there are only three candidates for worst trade in Mets history: Man, he was a big one. His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. He never had much to say about Lolich's donut shop though. October 13, 2008 Two quick points that haven't been mentioned:- It was Mike Vail's fantastic debut that led the Mets to believe they had a replacement for Staub. October 19, 2011 pete But he soon retreated to his wheel chair. As Sonny Jurgenson once said "you don't throw the ball with your stomach." They did not let him pitch the way he wanted. March 5, 2006 6'1", 170???? Rusty has always been a fan favorite so if you're going to trade him it better be worth it, and to most of us Mets fans Lolich wasn't. July 15, 2016 He normally threw lots of pitches and completed a high percentage of his games. May 9, 2002 Lolich hit a home run in the World Series- and so what does that mean, that he was a great hitter? He started 45 games and completed 29. Then they all got old and the team slid into rebuilding- different than the Mets? Let's understand one thing: this wasn't a "trade" in the traditional sense. LA-Mets November 3, 2006 He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE.He finished second (1971) and third (1972) in the Cy Young race, and he never finished higher than TENTH PLACE in the league in ERA (finished tenth in both 1971 and 1972).Baseball Reference lists among his top ten in similarity scores: Jerry Koosman, Jerry Reuss, Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, and Joe Niekro.All of that tells me Lolich in his prime was a good pitcher, but nowhere near a HOFer. No put-down of Mickey, but that teamed needed Staub much more than they needed another pitcher. I don't know if Mickey belongs in Cooperstown but he sure deserved more than 25% of the vote which was his highest showing. So when your "inning eater" goes 220 and gets a bonus it's beyond comprehension. Ok, the height is correct but make no mistake,a consistent, determined winner, Mickey Lolich was in the spotlight throughout his career. May 24, 2002 ''The old ballplayers saying how much better they were and complaining about how little money they made. Dianna Jeanneh Jones Mike B November 3, 2006 School was renamed to Proper School after John and Charlotte Proper who were the first to homestead land on Baldwin. Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. This deal of Staub/Lolich mr. Sparkle as somebody mentioned previously, this is really all Mike Vail 's fault a! 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