You know, and I knew Rena was fascinated by her, and intrigued by her because she told me onceshe said that it was so interesting to look back when she was younger and to see how different her and Viola's lives where. NEIL WILLIAMS: directly. And, then the whole time thing. You'll be redirected to related page soon Don't have an account? NEIL WILLIAMS: It depends. 0000114923 00000 n It's getting harder and harder to find the energy, when you have the time, to make quality work. And that made sense to me. And, she just helped with the cups. But he gave her a glowing review on Myth Maker Art and Fantasy and he was, she saidoh she came and she was so relieved, I think. MIJA RIEDEL: [. I've known them first-hand. She's good, she's been a really good, positive influence on it. I mean, he's the one who talked about diachronic and synchronic time. NEIL WILLIAMS: And hopefully it works on a couple other levels, too. SoI mean, I remember him saying, they were talking about Basquiat, you know, buying his early works and telling those guys, "Just leave him alone, he's a good painter. I know that they're getting good, and that's a great feeling. "I'm going to the studio to work, not to play." Or does it feel like a continuous line mostly? NEIL WILLIAMS: And so that's been an interesting dance throughout. Not that I needed to be satisfied from a good book or a good viewing of a painting or a sculpture. We can talk about that more. Just a brilliant guy. NEIL WILLIAMS: It's the invisible ground of sympathy that commonizes pauper and noble, is our loneliness. He was going to donate fantastic paintings, and it's like, "Well, but you have Motherwell's all over the place in storage." They're fighting it." They had an interna volunteer installing her plate collection, and there was, I don't know, 50, 60, 70-something plates. . I've heard of some horror stories in university and community college professors. NEIL WILLIAMS: Yeah. How would you describe her plates in relation to the rest of her work? NEIL WILLIAMS: A lot of it being nurtured ironically by the local high school art faculty department. And you should be changed by it. Remember, there is a power that can cause those things to happen that need to happen, and that power comes from your faith in Jesus Christ., As an Apostle of the Lord, Elder Andersen blessed students to feel the Saviors hands reaching out as they reach out to Him. And, not that she wasn't focused and she couldn't focus and obviously get a lot accomplished, NEIL WILLIAMS: but she would sometimes talk, and start a sentence or a thought and it would drop. And it'sI don't run around feeling proud of it, but I guess I am. But he knew that. They were trying tothey had a healthy rivalry of who discovered which image first, who used it first in which painting. NEIL WILLIAMS: anymore. And they will all attach different words to try and describe their experiences with that stone. Is there any tradition involved in bolstering the success of that intent? She said, "You got to be making things you love to look at. No, I just herwas in her gallery and group shows. And she hadof course, she said "ideas are 10 years ahead of execution sometimes," and shewas jumping ahead, and then jumping back and, NEIL WILLIAMS: you know. Do you have a recollection of Rena introducing Viola to Patterson? He did some time forlet me see, just dealing in weed or something. It's just that, it helped my appreciation for realizing how versatile clay is, and it deepened my appreciation for all of these other clay artists out there. Just like, "I'm in my studio and life is good." And, I think it helped me growing up here a lot, to be able to go to off to school, or to be able to relate to such a variety of different people successfully. The French philosopher talked about lan vital, the vital energy. And the tragedies arewe all have tragedies. MIJA RIEDEL: So, it wasn't even consignment? WebNeil Callan form, results and upcoming races. I always thought, "Well, if somebody likes my work enough and wants toit's a nice fit, then I'll go with it." It was not easy towork with, but at the same timeto work for, she was. MIJA RIEDEL: That was an extraordinary collection, extraordinary. I'll say one thing, Lucky Leak wouldn't have won at Canterbury had Jim Cassidy ridden it as programmed. She would do that, during the bulk of the day, and then she'd go in the house and paint and draw all night, and get right back up and do it again. This site uses different types of cookies. And then the family I know got it about 65 years ago. I mean, Viola didn't necessarily go off on abstract tangents that were required a lot of slick verbiage to flush it out. We'll pause there, because this card's about to end. ", "Great member of the creative department, would highly recommend him, can write copy until his hands bleed and then some. You know? And just keep them interesting for yourself." I had a couple follow-up questions that occurred to me this morning. Drawing and painting, I just wasn't connecting with. They were work, but it was the idea of making a column that washad a little figurative feel to it. Gambling Help on 1800 858 858 or visit www.gamblinghelponline.org.au. The other thing that's consistent, I think, with her is the physicality of being able to build that amount of work, and that scale of work. But it wasshe was soamped up on what she was able to do. Who do you complain to? And the fool wouldn't take them. So, there is awhat we talked about earlier, that good art should ask more answersmight ask more questions than it answers. NEIL WILLIAMS: Mm-hmm. NEIL WILLIAMS: But, she wasjust extraordinary and raw, pure energy and just that her tenacious way she devoured images and devoured the process of making stuff and working with color and form, and fluidly between two and three dimensional like that was really rare. And there's a whole other story about a local dentist who did these huge, enormous, really terrible sculptures, that came up about thewe'll go take a look at them later maybe and laugh at them. Viola used to call them the "dead wood." And, like I say, thrown, but I get them off the wheel as soon as possible to reshape and rework them. She was very competitivecame back in all fired up one day in the studio and made me pour about 80 candlestick images that she was going to use in her, you know, NEIL WILLIAMS: new series of jug pieces. NEIL WILLIAMS: They are over at the end of Elm Street at 49. Go to a museum show and say, "Oh, my God. You know, every five-year period, the work, there's this little jump. NEIL WILLIAMS: She talked aboutwell, she talked out milking depression for all it was worth. MIJA RIEDEL: So this must have been early on, before she had. But the spiritual part of itI don't really. So there's a certainalso, which clay, I think, brings aboutthere's a certain naturalness, and there's a certain human quality that it's a natural conductor for. NEIL WILLIAMS: I never doubted that. Were the plates the same process as the figures, same process as the junk pieces? NEIL WILLIAMS: And she wasn't necessarily challenging people on deeper meanings beside, or beyond thatwhich may or may not have contributed to how powerful her work was. I think Kevin Anderson at the time was helping, or part time help for installing. But there was also part of the delight for her too because shethe magic she always felt about seeing things coming out of the kiln for the first time. [Laughs.] NEIL WILLIAMS: but for some reason, especially with female. This passion naturally rubs off on his wider team, and the fact he's also a great guy and a pleasure to work with, made him a great mentor to me during our time working together. NEIL WILLIAMS: And the other profound things he would say, like, "You know, all ofall of art and all of the way that [we] identify the world around us can be divided into two categories: straight line and curved line." NEIL WILLIAMS: In the later ones, especially the reclining ones. You have to give it all, and then you have to immediately let go of it. NEIL WILLIAMS: And so, for me personally, I thought some of the larger pieces werethat they looked unfinished. NEIL WILLIAMS: Of course you do a lot ofin your studies oryou're going to work on flat pieces from now and then, but mostly all in the round. But in an education environment, I always tried to find out what their stories were, encouraged them to tell their story in some way, find images or experiences that were personal to them and share them. In all of her work, I never saw an areaeven in the Mystery Man series or the series she did when she got robbed at gunpoint and did some little figures based on that. MIJA RIEDEL: They were together when you became her assistant? If you feel your faith diminishing, pray more sincerely and more frequently, he said. The second piece, you don't care what the outcome is. And people were looking in and were discovering what a powerhouse of knowledgenot only just a clay person but a painter, and an artist she was. So, long before you were graduating high school, and there are, MIJA RIEDEL: dozens of them, and clearly the Japanese influence is very. Her Oakland retrospective was getting reviewed by Thomas Albright at the time, and he could be a realI mean he could be a nasty reviewer [Laughs.]. It's just, you say, "All right, let's make it workable or manageable," and you find those small golden moments in the course of a day or an experience with someone thatit's like my brother, one of my brothers was a real talented guy. It's work, and artists always consider their stuff work. It can only be true if that hope springs from Him who is eternal., Regarding this principle, BYU student Grettel Garcia spoke of acknowledging and looking for blessings. Milking the cows NEIL WILLIAMS: And the irony about itfast forwardthis does relate. A life so beautifully lived deserves to be beautifully remembered. And then the content would be the sum of the above. I've stuck with a theme for a long time. MIJA RIEDEL: And would she workyou said she'd work on multiple pieces at once, correct? NEIL WILLIAMS: He washe's got the body of Schwarzenegger, still in his seventies, and is strong, and the face and voice of Morgan Freeman. But, he gave her a really good review. NEIL WILLIAMS: It's just that it was slow progress. Summary: An interview with Neil N. Williams conducted 2014 June 5-6, by Mija Riedel, for the Archives of American Art's Viola Frey Oral History Project, at William's home and studio in Auburn, California. I know some of them first-hand, which is a shame, because there are still some younger, great, vital artists or some, even some older established ones that have a lot to say and make really good, important contributions, because it fits into what we talked about earlier, about continuity, consistency, cultural identity, and, in a sense, it keeps the certain, whatever medium, alive, and it's the whole idea of immortality. Whatever you do, just work hard. Racing and Sports is a technology, data, digital and media company that services the global racing and wagering industry, and has been a trusted racing industry provider for over 20 years. In their scalein terms of their scale alone, yeah. MIJA RIEDEL: We didn't talk at all, yesterday [. MIJA RIEDEL: Who gave you the bag of clay? [Laughs.]. She was a little nervous of whether she was going to have that kind of aand I said, "Absolutely, we wouldn't miss it." NEIL WILLIAMS: And she was very encouraging, but sheher quip was "Eventually, you can go back and get your masters, and I can send you anywhere in the country for graduate school on my recommendation." ", NEIL WILLIAMS: In fact she talked about when she was young and smoking all the time, she would have to stop and smoke and stop and she realized, "Oh my god." But it's still there and it's still really highly motivational soI'm sorry, what was the original question? Okay. They almost had more of a, NEIL WILLIAMS: Yeah. She'd have a show in L.A. or Rena's, so we would go to fly down there, and there's 100 body parts laying there and the stricken gallerylook on this gallery dealer's face, and like, "Ahh." It's how you want to be remembered, children in artwork, sosome of theI can see the university and art school things certainly are very, very important. But not so much art books. NEIL WILLIAMS: And I thought that that was a great example of what could drive an artist to greatness and to madness. Web[Biographical cuttings on Neil Williams, jockey, containing one or more cuttings from newspapers or journals] Get this Comments (0) Librarian's View Copyright Status Online His first win But I feel like people who go to the prophets, they go to other people of faith, and that can end up strengthening their faith when they feel like theyre slipping., For Macee Pickup, social media can also be a tool for good as she tries to fill her feed with uplifting quotes and insights or share messages with people, she said. NEIL WILLIAMS: Oh, they wanted a limited edition. That's got to be true. @pacer142. Format: Originally recorded as 5 sound files. MIJA RIEDEL: I think that's what I was trying to get at earlier, is that straddling of the personal and the universal that works, that seems profound and present in her work. NEIL WILLIAMS: Episodes not likeas in seizures? I'm just stubborn, I just get on, I just get on a bone. MIJA RIEDEL: How were you first exposed to clay? I don't want that to be too decorative. So we sat for a moment, and it was like, I didn't know what to say, and then he just looked at me andhe was very peaceful man. And, I also found it was really interesting because they werethey found themselves into collections of paintings and other paintings and sculptors that I really like, too. Uncontrolling, completely uncontrolling, but sheyou could tell she really cared about doing the right thing by this artist and by this person. Or Patterson coming into Viola's life after meeting Rena? NEIL WILLIAMS: in order to take in to battle, in the field of painting and sculpture. There was that pressure. And such a cacheit's funny because at this party I remember, Richard Shaw and Arneson and Manuel coming in, Neri coming in, and looking around the backyard, and they hadn't been there, and there was a period, there was this silence, looking around and I was standing and listening toI can't recall who said it. MIJA RIEDEL: There are a couple of columns, vase columns that we looked at that were, what, 12 feet tall, MIJA RIEDEL: from the late '90's. NEIL WILLIAMS: But also I think there's a great sense of humor and a take on things that's pretty broad-based. And if someone else wanted to pick up andat their end, and if they wanted 50 percent of what I do, then they, it would have to be right. Thank you for the opportunity. But sheespecially if she was tired or nervous, she would jump around and, you'd never know what would come out of her mouth. Sohopefully there's a certain sensuality that's evolving, and getting much moreI want them to feel elegant. I think about little quotes and stuff all the time about, you know, some from Charles or some from other artists orthey stick with me. But for theI mean those, I don't even consider it anymore, because those positions are allactually, who was it that was talking about, a few years back, when Rudy Turk was retiring from ASU. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. He moved to Scottsdale, or. He went through and he critiqued everything and he said, "Now, tear it up." I'm part-time caregiver to him now. I like that. MIJA RIEDEL: Mm-hmm. Mija Riedel has reviewed the transcript. MIJA RIEDEL: Is it a particular kind of clay body that you've. Sowas it somehow familiar to you? NEIL WILLIAMS: Travelyeah, so I love to go to museums, I love to do that. NEIL WILLIAMS: But it's evolved slowly. And so, I mean, not that they're in the same realm whatsoever but. NEIL WILLIAMS: Yeah. NEIL WILLIAMS: But I didn't think she got that excited about them. NEIL WILLIAMS: And itwe talked about itthe lan vital, the vital energyI was getting that back from the pieces. And I thought that was interesting, to think about her work with that in mind. One artist was talking about art in the panel; she was talking about, "Art is about art" and was being very egocentric. NEIL WILLIAMS: No, certainly seeing the great European work. . NEIL WILLIAMS: But it was hard work, because she worked so hard. MIJA RIEDEL: Did you grow up in Auburn itself? And so she encouraged surface which, so the early ones, were very textual, very tactile. That has happened. And then certainly now working, knowing people like Sam Tubiolo more, working with his project, this Los Alamos mural project with him, it'sI mean, I'm loving that. NEIL WILLIAMS: I wasViola was just coming out ofViola was getting very pressed to get work out and around and she really needed help and, NEIL WILLIAMS: there wasn't anyone else near her that I saw or, I don't think that Charles saw, that could jump in there andfirst of all figure her out, what she wanted. Net Worth in 2019. NEIL WILLIAMS: And he's always been reallyhe's always been there. And I always thought a good writer, just like a good painting or sculpture, should take you on a journey. And, NEIL WILLIAMS: Right. 0000009191 00000 n MIJA RIEDEL: Mm-hmm. MIJA RIEDEL: I thought you had said otherwise yesterday, but okay. 750 9th Street, NWVictor Building, Suite 2200 [Affirmative.] MIJA RIEDEL: So this is interesting. 0 0000112045 00000 n 0000004841 00000 n 0000001196 00000 n All information including race fields and TAB I remember one of the great stories about that, about making so much work wasoh my God, when she had an open party, like a little dinner party and Richard Shaw and Arneson and Manuel Neri had come and a bunch of other people, and Rena Bransten, and, of course, who luckily was repping her by then, NEIL WILLIAMS: Oh, because I just think it wasI just think the world of Rena and I. Finding your best friend paralyzed for life now in his room. NEIL WILLIAMS: I think by the time he had finished he was in every major museum in the world, Whitney Biennial multiple times, Venice Bienalle. . And it showed up on my birthday, and this was from 1947, and it's like "I didn't even know they were having full nudes, let alone African American nudes, in drawing classes at U.C. MIJA RIEDEL: Yeah. And she did, every step of the way I saw. MIJA RIEDEL: Was there a sense of humor or spirit of playfulness in her work? NEIL WILLIAMS: Some functional, sculptural. It's not broken up by vertical throwing lines. Hadlock related how her parents divorced when she was younger, which tested her faith. While many people do not always speak openly of their faith in God, they very naturally believe in God, and in times of crisis, their prayers and hopes ascend to God, Elder Andersen said. NEIL WILLIAMS: That's what I meant about speaking in incomplete sentences, and then realizing instinctively what she wanted and what she needed help with. And Ithe ability to teach others how to throw very well quickly has been very rewarding to me, too. Because she spoke in gaps back then. A Professional theme for architects, construction and interior designers But he even came across the sculptures of Dr. Fox, which are laughable, but they're amusing. NEIL WILLIAMS: I was going to take the summer and travel and do, but they said, "No, you have to use your scholarships." NEIL WILLIAMS: And, she's got a great level of appreciation for arts, and she's been really, really good, reallyshe's tough though, too. Please join us to mourn the passing of Neil Williams. Father was completely emotionally detached. I was hooked on and was dedicated to making vessels as a concept. NEIL WILLIAMS: But he's one of our pride and joys, and we still think about him and talk about him a lot. NEIL WILLIAMS: Normally, I tend to edit, I think, tonot that I'm"PC" is my, you know, my forerunning concern in life, but I try and be respectful and not hurt anyone's feelings. NEIL WILLIAMS: So, I mentioned some artists that I was still in touch with. NEIL WILLIAMS: I made lots and lots of bowls, but I still like tothere's something just universally enriching about that. Some of the last charcoal drawings I thought were justoh my God. She had so much going on, and she was building things so big, and they were getting so over the top in scale. Life is that way. Was there a syllabus of any sort? But it was one of the most unique, unusual pairings of couples I've ever seen. MIJA RIEDEL: Well, they could be. [Laughs.] NEIL WILLIAMS: But I knowthis guy's like "I'll do anything. Some of them reminded me of Hieronymus Bosch for some reason. NEIL WILLIAMS: Mid-80s, when Viola was there. What a different way of thinking about an audience. Racing and Sports is a Registered Trademark. He said he knew that he would survive going to Vietnam, he had no doubt. She made us sing Shakespeare. Interviewer Mija Riedel (1958- ) is an independent scholar and writer in San Francisco, California. NEIL WILLIAMS: She hadfinishing up the beautiful little, smaller grandmother figures which were my favorite, will all the really nice painting and the fine china paint and lines. It's incredible!" And Viola finally just said, "Let's play with clay", MIJA RIEDEL: and took out the clay, and they all just sat there at the kitchen table, MIJA RIEDEL: working with clay. When they set up a little, they're cut to draw reference to a canvas. Neil Williams Obituary: In the loving memory of Neil Williams, we are saddened to inform you that Neil Williams, a beloved and loyal friend, has passed away. But she was talented and had a great eye. So, it's been good. NEIL WILLIAMS: and the American imagery she grew up with. 0000114555 00000 n Probably the most profound influence there I can remember there was third grade? That might fit into some selfish aspect of it too, which maybe Cheri was touching on last night with Viola, but good artists have to beI don'tmaybe I'm not selfish enough to be a great artist, I don't know. MR] and scale. You may have seen it. So, what's the scale on these, roughly, from what to what? Required fields are marked *. She did. Yeah. And, like I said, the exposure and the whole role of gallery and public places, it completes the circle of experience for an artist. NEIL WILLIAMS: Yeah, within the end of the first semester there, yeah. NEIL WILLIAMS: Oh, such a variety, yeah, conceptual. If my work can do that, that's all I could hope for. It's that small thing, and it helps the larger things mollify andthere have been a lot of large things. [Laughs.]. MIJA RIEDEL: But, I mean for the clay to hold those kind of curves and that kind of thinness. And it's something that, if you were able tohowever they needed to work through it, who knows what could have come from them? I remember the first day I was there, I met a woman from Beirut. NEIL WILLIAMS: But I didn't. MIJA RIEDEL: Well, do we know for sure it happened at U.C. MIJA RIEDEL: Why do you say it demands sincerity and honesty? NEIL WILLIAMS: They just had me in the back room working, and those guys and the localhim and the local principal, so supportive, they were always giving me POs to go get more materials. MIJA RIEDEL: Just the description of the columns as keyholes or thresholds. We are so very grateful for the miracle of Damar Hamlins recovery.. Mario's retired, but theythe thing about them is they remindand that's why Jason Rhoades kept coming backthey remind everyone what it is to stay a human being in all of that. ), digital, wav; 101 Pages, Transcript. They're just the overblown concrete monstrosities that this local dentist made that were still there. "No, I'm not. So, he was very involved with the light railway station down there, and he alsothere's a series of domes, a cluster of domes over here that were built, NEIL WILLIAMS: some time ago, over. NEIL WILLIAMS: Other than that justlike you'd mentioned last night, earlieror about the second day talking, and feeling more comfortable about what to say and how to say it. It's justsome of the feathering and some of the movement, I think, comes from that. I know they're getting good, you know, for myself. In the meantime, she was producing stuff like crazy. So they're just straight-line cuts all the way down, in thirds. MIJA RIEDEL: These are exquisitely beautiful pieces, and I can seeif this is what you were doing already in high school, why. NEIL WILLIAMS: So, I stay in touch with people who I know give a damn, and for the right reasons. 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